An Associated Press-Yahoo News Poll — Obama Still Not Making Inroads with Clinton Voters

NO OBAMA.

I take deep satisfaction from the fact the current version of the Democratic party is on its death bed. I have high hopes that defeat in November will bring a new leadership to a party that is more corrupt than the Republican one and that is truly mind boggling given the scandals on the past eight years but on tap for the Democratic party is a scandal brewing that is going make the lobbyist scandal of Jack Abramhoff look like child’s play. The mess at Fannie Mae is ultimately a Democratic party mess. It was the Democratic leadership in Congress led by Senator Dodd, Senator Obama and Representative Steny Hoyer that prevented meaningful reforms of the mortgage giant. When the nexus of corruption that was lead by former CEOs and Obama advisors Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines fully comes to light, it isn’t going to be pretty. The facts for now remain few but if my reading of the tea leaves is correct, there is much to investigate. But between now and then, the Democratic party has other problems — those pesky Clinton voters aren’t on board with the Obama bandwagon. Pity that.

A new poll from the Associated Press, Yahoo and Newsweek shows that Senator Obama has not made any inroads since June among disaffected Clinton supporters despite assurances from everyone like Howard Dean to Donna Brazile to Roland Martin that we would be “coming around.” I am not coming around. In fact in June, my thoughts were to abstain from voting. That’s changed. I’ll vote for McCain even though in California it won’t make a dent into Obama’s margin. It’s a matter of principle now. I loathe Obama for who he is as a person. His values are not mine. He has no convictions other than his own political welfare. And I fear that both his economic policy will turn a recession into a depression with his protectionist leanings and that his international inexperience will lead to disasters the world over. I do not in the least trust him. And on paper, I should be an Obama voter through and through even if tepid at best. I am a liberal white Hispanic, well-educated, well-off, well-read and I live in San Francisco. Yet the reality is that I loathe Obama. Some of it is issue-based, most of it is really character.

Apparently others loathe Obama as well and won’t be “coming around” in November.

Barack Obama’s support from backers of Hillary Rodham Clinton is stuck smack where it was in June, a poll showed Tuesday, a stunning lack of progress that is weakening him with members of the Democratic Party in the close presidential race.

An Associated Press-Yahoo News poll shows that among adults who backed his rival during their bitter primary campaign, 58 percent now support Obama. That is the same percentage who said so in June, when Clinton ended her bid and urged her backers to line up behind the Democratic senator from Illinois.

The poll shows that while Obama has gained ground among Clinton’s supporters — 69 percent view him favorably now, up 9 percentage points from June — this has yet to translate into more of their support.

In part, this is because their positive views of Republican presidential nominee John McCain have also improved during this period.

Those supporting McCain have also edged up from 21 percent to 28 percent, with the number of undecided staying constant, the survey showed.

Clinton backers’ reluctance to support Obama helps explain why he is having a tougher time solidifying partisan supporters than McCain. Overall, 74 percent of Democrats say they will vote for Obama, compared with 87 percent of Republicans behind the Arizona senator. About nine in 10 Clinton supporters are Democrats.

The problem that supporters of Clinton, the New York senator, have with Obama seems to flow from their measure of him as a candidate, not from issues. From establishing a timeline for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq to abortion to canceling tax cuts on the rich, their views of the importance of issues are virtually identical to Democrats in general.

Yet they find Obama less likable, honest, experienced and inspiring than Democrats overall do, and have a better view of McCain. And while majorities of Clinton supporters say Obama shares their values and understands ordinary Americans, they’re less likely to say so than Democrats overall.

“It’s just a gut feeling, my gut tells me he’s not it,” Leslye Burgess, 53, a federal Treasury Department manager and Democrat from Fairfax, Va., said of Obama. The Clinton supporter added, “I’ll have to fight with myself between now and November” about how she’ll vote.

The GOP’s selection of Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate has had no net impact on Clinton loyalists — a group Republicans were hoping to lure by picking the Alaska governor. Twenty-one percent in the poll said Palin on the ticket makes them likelier to back McCain, 21 percent said it makes them less likely, and 58 percent said it had no impact.

The choice of Joe Biden as Democratic vice presidential candidate makes them a bit likelier to vote for Obama, but seven in 10 said it won’t be a factor.

Other September polls have shown Obama making progress in recent weeks with one-time Clinton backers and doing better with them than in the AP-Yahoo News survey. One by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center had Obama with 78 percent of their support and McCain with 18 percent; another by ABC News and The Washington Post showed Obama ahead 72 percent to 23 percent.

Those figures measured Clinton supporters who are registered voters — who in the AP-Yahoo News poll leaned toward Obama over McCain 61 percent to 26 percent. The discrepancies in the polls might come from how they were conducted.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Clinton supporters are turning to Obama “in huge numbers” and noted that the AP-Yahoo News data differed from other polls. He said strong feelings by Clinton supporters were understandable considering the length and intensity of the Democratic primaries and said of Clinton, “She’s done everything we’ve asked her to do.”

Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand said the New York senator has campaigned in or planned to visit seven tightly contested states. Asked to explain why some of her supporters still oppose Obama, Strand said, “She’s going to continue to do whatever she can to convince everyone, no matter who they supported, that Barack Obama must be our president.”

The AP-Yahoo News poll has surveyed the same nationally representative group of about 2,000 adults seven times since November, in an effort to understand how individuals are reacting to the presidential race. Nine in 10 Clinton supporters who said in June they were backing Obama were still with him in September, while three-quarters of those with McCain stayed with him.

As during her primary battle against Obama, Clinton supporters are likelier to be female, white and less educated than those who did not back her.

They trust Obama more than McCain on important issues, though not by as much as Democrats overall do. They prefer Obama over McCain on the economy by 30 percentage points, compared with Obama’s 50-point edge among all Democrats. They like Obama on Iraq by 17 points, while all Democrats give Obama a 40-point margin.

The starkest contrast comes from comparing Clinton backers still refusing to support Obama with other Democrats.

Just three in 10 Clinton supporters still not backing Obama view him favorably, compared with eight in 10 of all Democrats. While most Democrats and former Clinton supporters strongly prefer Obama over McCain to handle key issues, those Clinton voters still opposing Obama opt for McCain: On the economy by 32 points, and on Iraq by 47 points.

One in four Clinton backers say they’ve not yet locked into a candidate — and far more of those supporting Obama than McCain say they support their candidate strongly. Many who have already decided to back Obama say the transition wasn’t difficult.

Kathy McVeigh, 60, a nurse from Norwalk, Ohio, has moved from Clinton to Obama and said she would tell wavering Clinton voters “to get on the bandwagon because we need change, we better do something in a hurry because we’re going down the tubes.”

The AP-Yahoo News poll of 1,740 adults was conducted Sept. 5-15 and has an overall margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points. It included interviews with 502 people who in AP-Yahoo News polls in January and April identified themselves as supporting Clinton in one or both of those months, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 4.4 points.

The survey was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews. People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it for free.

In contrast, the Pew and ABC-Post polls relied on people saying in September whether they supported Clinton earlier this year. Those polls were conducted by telephone; some studies have shown people can be less reluctant to disclose embarrassing behavior — like not supporting their party’s presidential nominee — in an online survey than to a live telephone interviewer.

On the other hand, people in the AP-Yahoo News poll who backed Clinton in earlier waves of the survey might not want to appear inconsistent by suddenly backing a candidate — Obama — they opposed earlier.

I am not coming around. I suspect many others aren’t as well.

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jangles
September 23rd, 2008 05:28

I’m not coming around. I hope your reading of the tea leaves on the Fannie Freddie mess is correct and we see a huge outing of the Democratic party’s role and complicity in bringing down this economy. At this point I think that is the single biggest problem weighing down McCain.

UpstateNY
September 23rd, 2008 05:58

I fully agree with you that new leadership is necessary at the DNC, however, I cannot bring myself to vote for McCain (not that it would make a noticeable difference if I did)

The latest HSM effort targets both NH and PA….internal polls must not look pretty.

creeper
September 23rd, 2008 06:46

**Kathy McVeigh, 60, a nurse from Norwalk, Ohio, has moved from Clinton to Obama and said she would tell wavering Clinton voters “to get on the bandwagon because we need change, we better do something in a hurry because we’re going down the tubes.”**

You betcha, Kathy. Let’s hurry up and pay Bush’s buddies a trillion dollars. That’ll stop us from going down the tubes.

Then we can turn the whole country over to an inexperience amateur and let him pick up the change that’s left. That’s the kind of “change” we’re looking at here.

That kool-aid must be really strong stuff.

September 23rd, 2008 07:55

I’m not coming around, either. And the spousal unit, who up till now had been leaning towards Obama (after supporting Hillary), told me this morning that he’s decided to abstain in the presidential and just vote down-ticket. Obama is bleeding support. And it can’t be traced to racism. It’s his questionable associations, his inexperience and inexplicable arrogance, and a desire to rid the Democratic Party of its current leadership.

September 23rd, 2008 08:20

What he/she said!

I will wait until the last minute before saying my vote is locked in, but right now I feel 95% sure I’ll vote for McCain.

For those unwilling to vote for McCain, I’ll just suggest you consider: this is probably from an independent/moderate/Democratic perspective the best Republican candidate since Eisenhower. Nothing would do more to encourage reform in -both- the Republican and Democratic parties than a McCain win, and a reform of both parties can only be good for all of us. Just consider this before you hold your nose and vote Obama or throw your vote away by not voting or giving it to someone else.

DandyTiger
September 23rd, 2008 08:40

I agree with this analysis. I too should be a perfect Obama voter: mostly white, male, high tech entrepreneur, Stanford educated, world traveler, very liberal, mixed race family, not racist, etc. But I seem to have been immune to the great communicator like I was immune to Reagan years ago. I saw him as an empty suit puppet from day one. I was for Hillary.

Now I see voting for McCain/Palin as a win/win. First it might help make the republican party more sane as he’s very anti bush/neocon, more of a Teddy Roosevelt reformer, who might shake up the republican party for the better. And with any luck, a McCain win would knock the air out of the Pelosi/Dean/Kerry/etc. wing and set up Hillary or similar great people to move my party where it needs to go.

CognitiveDissonance
September 23rd, 2008 10:53

What I find amusing about such polls is that they never mention the real issue that makes it impossible for many of us to vote for Obama – the fraud in the primaries/caucuses and the blatant fraud of the roll call vote. No, they don’t want to talk about that, so it has to be about race or about national security or something else. It can’t be about the corruption of Obama and the dem party. They will never get a real poll on this until they ask the real questions. But they can’t do that without also admitting how many PUMA’s there are.

I’m in complete agreement with PanMetron and DandyTiger. There is a chance that a McCain win will move the Republican party back toward the center and back to some sanity. McCain in many ways reminds me of Jerry Ford (I was too young to remember Eisenhower). Every republican since Ford has been a neocon.

People seem to forget how many republicans thought Reagan was taking the party in the wrong direction before he won. The country would definitely benefit from pre-Reagan type republicans. I can see a scenario where we get reform in both parties if McCain gets elected. I would especially love to see investigations into the financial mess and punishment applied to those who caused it. So I’ll vote for McCain. Obama isn’t an option.

Capt Howdy
September 23rd, 2008 11:24

yes
the reshaping of the party is the primary reason I would like to see Obama lose. but the other reason is that the election of McCain/Palin could also do some serious reshaping of the Republican party, and that could be just as beneficial in the long run. I said after the nominees were chosen that whoever wins we are winning the culture wars because there will be a moderate in the white house. dragging the Republicans back from the far right could be a great and glorious thing. Niether McCain or Palin fit the right wing nut case mold we have seen Republican candidates (W) come from in the past.

September 23rd, 2008 15:12

Capt Howdy, that’s a really good point about the the reshaping of the GOP. McCain clearly has Teddy Roosevelt as his model who bucked his party on many occasions.

stxabuela
September 23rd, 2008 19:38

Well, I don’t live in a swing state, so I will be voting for the Green Party’s Cynthia McKinney. Since she’s AA, no one can say I am racist.

aplusplus
September 24th, 2008 04:21

To Everyone,

I would like to ask everyone who is voting for McCain from formerly hoping for a Democratic candidate, when you decided to go with McCain?

Personally, I compared the issues between the candidates and feel neither offers something I can support. I’ve become disaffected and kinda depressed.

Thanks to all for sharing your stories!

Capt Howdy
September 24th, 2008 11:23

aplusplus
I sort of agree. I cant vote for McCain but I wont vote for Obama.

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