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		<title>By: Capt Howdy</title>
		<link>http://www.bythefault.com/2008/09/23/4329/comment-page-1/#comment-1587</link>
		<dc:creator>Capt Howdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Motherlode
count me in.  I am in a similar position.  I have lost friends over this.  or acquaintances I should say.  if they were friends, I would not have lost them.
and I have come to an important conclusion.
I dont give a damn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Motherlode<br />
count me in.  I am in a similar position.  I have lost friends over this.  or acquaintances I should say.  if they were friends, I would not have lost them.<br />
and I have come to an important conclusion.<br />
I dont give a damn.</p>
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		<title>By: Motherlode</title>
		<link>http://www.bythefault.com/2008/09/23/4329/comment-page-1/#comment-1586</link>
		<dc:creator>Motherlode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the first time in my professional life, I&#039;m surrounded by Democrats in my department. Sounds ideal, right? Not so much. They&#039;re all Obamabots, and I find I can&#039;t so much as mention doubts or concerns about &quot;our&quot; candidate without receiving dour looks. The interesting thing is, I&#039;m widely known as an activist Democrat, while they are all (to a man and woman) indifferent voters. I&#039;ve fought for civil rights and racial equality (and this is in the 
SOUTH) my entire life, yet now because I oppose this empty suit who has no core principles and runs from the &quot;Democrat&quot; label as fast and completely as he can, I&#039;m labeled a racist? I would LOVE to vote for a black, man or woman, to be POTUS, but race will never dictate my vote.

I haven&#039;t admitted to the folks in my department that I won&#039;t vote for The One, though I&#039;ve lost a close Democrat/Obamabot friend over the issue. How many others of us, I wonder, are in the same position?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the first time in my professional life, I&#8217;m surrounded by Democrats in my department. Sounds ideal, right? Not so much. They&#8217;re all Obamabots, and I find I can&#8217;t so much as mention doubts or concerns about &#8220;our&#8221; candidate without receiving dour looks. The interesting thing is, I&#8217;m widely known as an activist Democrat, while they are all (to a man and woman) indifferent voters. I&#8217;ve fought for civil rights and racial equality (and this is in the<br />
SOUTH) my entire life, yet now because I oppose this empty suit who has no core principles and runs from the &#8220;Democrat&#8221; label as fast and completely as he can, I&#8217;m labeled a racist? I would LOVE to vote for a black, man or woman, to be POTUS, but race will never dictate my vote.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t admitted to the folks in my department that I won&#8217;t vote for The One, though I&#8217;ve lost a close Democrat/Obamabot friend over the issue. How many others of us, I wonder, are in the same position?</p>
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		<title>By: Tess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We lifelong Dems here like the term &quot;Democrat in exile&quot;.  It shortcuts some arguments (not all).  I was brought up to expect and participate in political give and take.  I can&#039;t remember an election where I ducked so many groups, so much conversation.
A thought:  if Obama truly cannot be elected because he&#039;s black, should not someone  in the DNC have figured this out?  It seems as if running him was a calculated chance; I&#039;d like to think someone, anyone, saw this earlier and moved him over to VP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We lifelong Dems here like the term &#8220;Democrat in exile&#8221;.  It shortcuts some arguments (not all).  I was brought up to expect and participate in political give and take.  I can&#8217;t remember an election where I ducked so many groups, so much conversation.<br />
A thought:  if Obama truly cannot be elected because he&#8217;s black, should not someone  in the DNC have figured this out?  It seems as if running him was a calculated chance; I&#8217;d like to think someone, anyone, saw this earlier and moved him over to VP?</p>
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		<title>By: realchange</title>
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		<dc:creator>realchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a first time commenter on this blog.  I have been experiencing depression this past month due to the responses I have gotten from family and friends for voicing why I will not vote for Barack Obama.  I have been accused of being a racist, a republican, a logic impaired sore loser among other things.  Up until John McCain chose Sarah Palin as his VP, I wasn&#039;t sure I could vote for a Republican.  Now I will.  At least they respected the power of my vote.  

I want to insure that the Democrats lose this election and are not rewarded for their corrupt political tactics, the race-baiting, the sexism and misogyny that they enabled and then ignored, the ageism, the outright dismissal of huge numbers of their political base: women, older Americans, working class people (especially &quot;white&quot; working class people, which you can&#039;t say without fear of being accused of being racist).

I&#039;ve been depressed because I have to hide my true thoughts and feelings from people that I love and who I thought loved and respected me, for fear of being vehemently attacked.  I have never experienced anything like this in my life.  I always thought I could separate political differences with others from my personal relationship with them, but this was based on the belief that I could have rational, even heated, discussions with others without being viciously attacked.  Thankfully my husband is of the same mind as I or I would probably be having a complete psychological breakdown, because my relationships with my family and friends are extremely important to me and my well being.  I read blogs that have similar opinions to mine for support and for information that the MSM doesn&#039;t report on. 

So, I will be one of those people included in the Bradley Effect and it will have nothing to do with race.  Thanks for a forum to share this in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a first time commenter on this blog.  I have been experiencing depression this past month due to the responses I have gotten from family and friends for voicing why I will not vote for Barack Obama.  I have been accused of being a racist, a republican, a logic impaired sore loser among other things.  Up until John McCain chose Sarah Palin as his VP, I wasn&#8217;t sure I could vote for a Republican.  Now I will.  At least they respected the power of my vote.  </p>
<p>I want to insure that the Democrats lose this election and are not rewarded for their corrupt political tactics, the race-baiting, the sexism and misogyny that they enabled and then ignored, the ageism, the outright dismissal of huge numbers of their political base: women, older Americans, working class people (especially &#8220;white&#8221; working class people, which you can&#8217;t say without fear of being accused of being racist).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been depressed because I have to hide my true thoughts and feelings from people that I love and who I thought loved and respected me, for fear of being vehemently attacked.  I have never experienced anything like this in my life.  I always thought I could separate political differences with others from my personal relationship with them, but this was based on the belief that I could have rational, even heated, discussions with others without being viciously attacked.  Thankfully my husband is of the same mind as I or I would probably be having a complete psychological breakdown, because my relationships with my family and friends are extremely important to me and my well being.  I read blogs that have similar opinions to mine for support and for information that the MSM doesn&#8217;t report on. </p>
<p>So, I will be one of those people included in the Bradley Effect and it will have nothing to do with race.  Thanks for a forum to share this in.</p>
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		<title>By: stxabuela</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, here in TX there are many Hispanic women who seem to fit this pattern.  On several occasions, it was only after I said I could not vote for Obama that they told me they felt the same way.  No one talks about it, but there is also some prejudice against African-Americans in the Hispanic community.  

I am wondering if there will be an Hispanic &quot;Bradley effect&quot; at work in swing states with a significant Hispanic population, such as NM and FL.  I don&#039;t know if there are enough Hispanics in NV and CO to make a difference.  What worries me most is that Hispanics in TX who lack motivation to vote for the top of the ticket tend not to vote at all, which is disastrous for downticket races.  Is this a phenomenon exclusive to TX, or does this happen in other states?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, here in TX there are many Hispanic women who seem to fit this pattern.  On several occasions, it was only after I said I could not vote for Obama that they told me they felt the same way.  No one talks about it, but there is also some prejudice against African-Americans in the Hispanic community.  </p>
<p>I am wondering if there will be an Hispanic &#8220;Bradley effect&#8221; at work in swing states with a significant Hispanic population, such as NM and FL.  I don&#8217;t know if there are enough Hispanics in NV and CO to make a difference.  What worries me most is that Hispanics in TX who lack motivation to vote for the top of the ticket tend not to vote at all, which is disastrous for downticket races.  Is this a phenomenon exclusive to TX, or does this happen in other states?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Lemos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Lemos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post. There&#039;s a lot to mull over. Anedotes shed so much light into how people are approaching this election. Each is just a single point of data but add them together and you start noting commonalities in the thought process involved. The polls I appreciate the most are the ones that quote people. There is so much value add in them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post. There&#8217;s a lot to mull over. Anedotes shed so much light into how people are approaching this election. Each is just a single point of data but add them together and you start noting commonalities in the thought process involved. The polls I appreciate the most are the ones that quote people. There is so much value add in them.</p>
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		<title>By: madazhel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have described my experience exactly. For the first time my husband and I are not talking politics together, We veered apart back in February when I started gravitating toward Senator Clinton. My friends think I have gone over to the dark side. 

I had no idea that the ABC (anybody but clinton) people were so aggressive and vitriolic. Couple that with the cultic adoration of Senator Obama, his lack of experience, his “sweetie” moment, his flipping off and flip-flopping and the RBC shenanigans,  there is no way I will vote for him.

In this charged  political atmosphere there are many non-racist voters who are afraid to tell their own family and friends, much less pollsters their true leanings. The first time in public that I mentioned that I was a PUMA Democrat, a complete stranger accused me of being racist -- you know, my being a white woman and not voting for Senator Obama. Wow! This person knew nothing about me but couldn’t fathom that my opposition might be based on issues of character and experience.  

Yep, there will be a new &quot;Bradley Effect&quot; but this time NOT because of racism. (It is still debatable if race was the only factor in the Bradley election.) It will be because of voters who are not telling anybody that they have swung away from the rabid left and DNC corruption, away from gross gender bias, and away from an essentially weaker and less experienced candidate. 

I’ll wager easily 8%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have described my experience exactly. For the first time my husband and I are not talking politics together, We veered apart back in February when I started gravitating toward Senator Clinton. My friends think I have gone over to the dark side. </p>
<p>I had no idea that the ABC (anybody but clinton) people were so aggressive and vitriolic. Couple that with the cultic adoration of Senator Obama, his lack of experience, his “sweetie” moment, his flipping off and flip-flopping and the RBC shenanigans,  there is no way I will vote for him.</p>
<p>In this charged  political atmosphere there are many non-racist voters who are afraid to tell their own family and friends, much less pollsters their true leanings. The first time in public that I mentioned that I was a PUMA Democrat, a complete stranger accused me of being racist &#8212; you know, my being a white woman and not voting for Senator Obama. Wow! This person knew nothing about me but couldn’t fathom that my opposition might be based on issues of character and experience.  </p>
<p>Yep, there will be a new &#8220;Bradley Effect&#8221; but this time NOT because of racism. (It is still debatable if race was the only factor in the Bradley election.) It will be because of voters who are not telling anybody that they have swung away from the rabid left and DNC corruption, away from gross gender bias, and away from an essentially weaker and less experienced candidate. </p>
<p>I’ll wager easily 8%.</p>
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		<title>By: stillife</title>
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		<dc:creator>stillife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The voices of the Obamabots are always the loudest, drowning out dissenting opinions and while at the same time keeping them in a state of blissful ignorance.  

One online forum where I used to post became Obama Central during the primaries.  There were a few stalwart Clinton and Edwards posters, but they got shouted down and often their comments were deleted.  This same site used to run a monthly poll during the primary which always showed a striking discrepancy between the number of pro-Obama posts and the number of actual Obama supporters.  Month after month, Hillary outpolled Obama.  Granted, it&#039;s easy to fudge the results of an online poll, but I took it as an indication that the Clinton supporters were at least as numerous as the Obama supporters, but they were quiet about it.

I had a similar experience on another online community, where it was assumed that Obama was The One and Hillary was the Evil Dragon Lady.  From the comments on that forum, you would assume it was unanimously pro-Obama, yet I had many private e-mails with other members who were stealth Hillary supporters.

If people felt too intimidated to come out as Hillary supporters, imagine the trepidation among lifelong Dems about voicing pro-McCain sentiments, or even doubts about Obama now that he is the nominee.

I wonder if the obnoxiousness of the Obamabots will be a contributing factor to Obama&#039;s downfall.  As Bill Clinton said on The View, people vote for all kinds of reasons, not just cut-and-dried issues.  It often comes down to, Who do you trust?  The cultlike behavior of 
Obamabots over the past year has contributed greatly to my distrust and dislike of the candidate.  I think it was Stellaaa who used to say on TL, the fish rots from the head down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The voices of the Obamabots are always the loudest, drowning out dissenting opinions and while at the same time keeping them in a state of blissful ignorance.  </p>
<p>One online forum where I used to post became Obama Central during the primaries.  There were a few stalwart Clinton and Edwards posters, but they got shouted down and often their comments were deleted.  This same site used to run a monthly poll during the primary which always showed a striking discrepancy between the number of pro-Obama posts and the number of actual Obama supporters.  Month after month, Hillary outpolled Obama.  Granted, it&#8217;s easy to fudge the results of an online poll, but I took it as an indication that the Clinton supporters were at least as numerous as the Obama supporters, but they were quiet about it.</p>
<p>I had a similar experience on another online community, where it was assumed that Obama was The One and Hillary was the Evil Dragon Lady.  From the comments on that forum, you would assume it was unanimously pro-Obama, yet I had many private e-mails with other members who were stealth Hillary supporters.</p>
<p>If people felt too intimidated to come out as Hillary supporters, imagine the trepidation among lifelong Dems about voicing pro-McCain sentiments, or even doubts about Obama now that he is the nominee.</p>
<p>I wonder if the obnoxiousness of the Obamabots will be a contributing factor to Obama&#8217;s downfall.  As Bill Clinton said on The View, people vote for all kinds of reasons, not just cut-and-dried issues.  It often comes down to, Who do you trust?  The cultlike behavior of<br />
Obamabots over the past year has contributed greatly to my distrust and dislike of the candidate.  I think it was Stellaaa who used to say on TL, the fish rots from the head down.</p>
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		<title>By: Capt Howdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt Howdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: athyrio</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I comment on a local web site that seems to be heavily slanted toward Obama....If anyone even dares to say anything pro McCain they are reduced to tatters in just minutes...So I always think of all the people out there that will quietly go to the polls on November 4th and have the final word on the subject...It is almost like Obamabots know they cannot win a regular discussion on issues so they attack constantly....I don&#039;t remember any other election being this way..Do you??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I comment on a local web site that seems to be heavily slanted toward Obama&#8230;.If anyone even dares to say anything pro McCain they are reduced to tatters in just minutes&#8230;So I always think of all the people out there that will quietly go to the polls on November 4th and have the final word on the subject&#8230;It is almost like Obamabots know they cannot win a regular discussion on issues so they attack constantly&#8230;.I don&#8217;t remember any other election being this way..Do you??</p>
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