The Obama Effect

Recently I was talking with a old friend about the election.  We agreed that Senator Obama was not what the country necessarily needed at this particular moment in history and then the subject of John, her husband who I have also known for many years, came up.  “Oh, I can’t talk to John about this at all,” she confided.  “I have tried but he just gets hysterical.”  After a brief inner smile at the image of the bearded 6′7″ 300 plus pound John becoming hysterical, the conversation continued.  “He is so invested in an Obama victory,” she said shaking her head.  “I just can’t tell him I’m not going to vote for Obama.   I just smile and nod and agree with everything he says.”  In another conversation with an African American friend, Margie, I heard a similar story but this time it was her children she was “protecting” from the truth that she did not intend to vote for Senator Obama.  “It’s so important to them, and I really am pleased that they have a black candidate for president to root for but I just can’t vote for him.”   Both these women had been ardent Hillary supporters, for whatever that is worth, but I have  heard similar stories for months, and not just from former Hillary supporters.  There has been a lot of talk about the so-called Bradley effect, or the Wilder effect depending on your location I suppose.   Wiki gives us this:

The term Bradley effect, less commonly called the Wilder effect refers to a frequently observed discrepancy between voter opinion polls and election outcomes in American political campaigns when a white candidate and a non-white candidate run against each other. Named for Tom Bradley, an African-American who lost the 1982 California governor’s race despite being ahead in voter polls, the Bradley effect refers to a tendency on the part of white voters to tell pollsters that they are undecided or likely to vote for a Black candidate, when, on election day, they vote for his/her white opponent.

There is not much agreement on the actual extent of such an effect.  Stephen Green says, “Call it … two points? Three? I’ve seen estimates as high as five percent.”  Last night on the O’Reilly Factor (yes, I watched the O’Reilly Factor.  I am now able to admit that without offering an excuse) Dr. Marc Lamont Hill said something that surprised me, something that was almost exactly what I have been saying.  He said that if Obama is not up by 7 or 8 points on election day he will lose.  I think that sounds about right but I also think the number could be even higher.  Another guest on O’Reilly, Scott Rasmussen, said that the race factor will count for “a percent or two” on election day.  I think that also sounds about right.  The interesting thing is the difference between these two numbers.  My two friends above fit into the demographic represented by the difference in those two numbers.  They will not vote for Obama but it will have nothing to do with his race. The sad and scary part is it will be described that way by the “main stream media”.  And in fact if we accept the WIKI definition many of the people who surreptitiously vote against  Obama for reasons other than race may indeed be included in the “Bradley effect”:

One theory for the Bradley effect is that some white voters give inaccurate polling responses for fear that, by stating their true preference, they will appear to the pollster to be racially prejudiced.

Fear of appearing racist to a pollster or being called a racist by your friends or thought racist by your family, its a very slippery slope.  Does the fact that a person would conceal how they vote because they fear being called a racist somehow validate a racist conclusion?  Thinking about it makes my  head hurt.  In the comments of a rather clumsily worded post about this recently my friend Charles Lemos said, “Lastly on the race thing. I think it is a mixed bag honestly. It both helps Obama and it hurts him but Capt Howdy is right should Obama lose it won’t be because of his race.”  I agree with that completely.  I believe there will also be a “reverse Bradley effect”.  Many whites, particularly young voters, will vote for Obama because it is the opportunity to vote for an African American president, and I see nothing wrong with that.  I believe the number will be high enough to make any actual disadvantage Obama has because of race meaningless and void.  Writing at HuffPo Chris Weigant gives us this:

But there are two other factors in this race that are unknown (and, to a large degree, unknowable) and they point in opposite directions, so they may even cancel each other out to some degree (meaning that, even after the election, it may still be impossible to accurately quantify these). The first of these is the infamous Bradley Effect. Will Obama’s white voter support in the polls be higher than his actual support on Election Day? Will this be a regional factor, or a nationwide factor? And how big a factor is it? All unanswerable questions now, and possibly ever.

The other factor works in Obama’s favor, but since it is such a unique phenomenon it too may be impossible to predict before the election. How overwhelming is Obama’s youth support going to be? How many of them will actually turn out to vote? How many of them have no landlines, and are hence being woefully undercounted in the polls (which usually don’t call cell phones)? Will “The Obama Effect” be a tidalwave of new votes, or will it fizzle as it has almost every time in the past? Impossible to know at this point.

I have written recently about the abundant ironies in this election.  They seem to just keep coming.  It would be ironic indeed if, after all is said and done, race is used as an excuse for an Obama loss.  The only thing that would accomplish would be to reinforce that glass ceiling that the Senator came so close to breaking through.  For this reason and for the more selfish reason that I cringe at the thought of my country and my friends unfairly being called racists, I hope we can see the results of this election with eyes unclouded by preconceptions.  Based on what we have seen so far I am not betting the farm on that.

Speaking only for me.

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DandyTiger
September 23rd, 2008 09:34

An Obama supporting friend of mine I think has been echoing what will be the story if Obama loses. Heck, it will be the story if he only wins by a little. During the primaries he said how sad and disappointing it was that both of the Clinton’s were such blatant racists, and how could he have been so wrong about them. Then during the last three or four months of the primaries as Hillary was winning every month, he said how bad the racism in this country was and that it surprised even him. And now he’s saying with great despair how extremely racist so many people in this country are, and how sad he is about it. Every time he brings this up I am usually very sarcastic about how there could be no reason in the world someone would not support Obama except for them being evil racists. He seems to get the joke, but then continues along those lines.

And of course like your examples, I never tell him I’m not voting for Obama.

Capt Howdy
September 23rd, 2008 09:37

I would love to hear about the experiences others have had with this. its becoming very common for me. I always assumed it had to do with where I am (IL) and the age group I work with which about 20 something.
and yeah, I mostly smile and nod as well.

athyrio
September 23rd, 2008 09:51

I comment on a local web site that seems to be heavily slanted toward Obama….If anyone even dares to say anything pro McCain they are reduced to tatters in just minutes…So I always think of all the people out there that will quietly go to the polls on November 4th and have the final word on the subject…It is almost like Obamabots know they cannot win a regular discussion on issues so they attack constantly….I don’t remember any other election being this way..Do you??

Capt Howdy
September 23rd, 2008 09:54

no

stillife
September 23rd, 2008 10:49

The voices of the Obamabots are always the loudest, drowning out dissenting opinions and while at the same time keeping them in a state of blissful ignorance.

One online forum where I used to post became Obama Central during the primaries. There were a few stalwart Clinton and Edwards posters, but they got shouted down and often their comments were deleted. This same site used to run a monthly poll during the primary which always showed a striking discrepancy between the number of pro-Obama posts and the number of actual Obama supporters. Month after month, Hillary outpolled Obama. Granted, it’s easy to fudge the results of an online poll, but I took it as an indication that the Clinton supporters were at least as numerous as the Obama supporters, but they were quiet about it.

I had a similar experience on another online community, where it was assumed that Obama was The One and Hillary was the Evil Dragon Lady. From the comments on that forum, you would assume it was unanimously pro-Obama, yet I had many private e-mails with other members who were stealth Hillary supporters.

If people felt too intimidated to come out as Hillary supporters, imagine the trepidation among lifelong Dems about voicing pro-McCain sentiments, or even doubts about Obama now that he is the nominee.

I wonder if the obnoxiousness of the Obamabots will be a contributing factor to Obama’s downfall. As Bill Clinton said on The View, people vote for all kinds of reasons, not just cut-and-dried issues. It often comes down to, Who do you trust? The cultlike behavior of
Obamabots over the past year has contributed greatly to my distrust and dislike of the candidate. I think it was Stellaaa who used to say on TL, the fish rots from the head down.

madazhel
September 23rd, 2008 11:28

You have described my experience exactly. For the first time my husband and I are not talking politics together, We veered apart back in February when I started gravitating toward Senator Clinton. My friends think I have gone over to the dark side.

I had no idea that the ABC (anybody but clinton) people were so aggressive and vitriolic. Couple that with the cultic adoration of Senator Obama, his lack of experience, his “sweetie” moment, his flipping off and flip-flopping and the RBC shenanigans, there is no way I will vote for him.

In this charged political atmosphere there are many non-racist voters who are afraid to tell their own family and friends, much less pollsters their true leanings. The first time in public that I mentioned that I was a PUMA Democrat, a complete stranger accused me of being racist — you know, my being a white woman and not voting for Senator Obama. Wow! This person knew nothing about me but couldn’t fathom that my opposition might be based on issues of character and experience.

Yep, there will be a new “Bradley Effect” but this time NOT because of racism. (It is still debatable if race was the only factor in the Bradley election.) It will be because of voters who are not telling anybody that they have swung away from the rabid left and DNC corruption, away from gross gender bias, and away from an essentially weaker and less experienced candidate.

I’ll wager easily 8%.

September 23rd, 2008 18:10

Thanks for this post. There’s a lot to mull over. Anedotes shed so much light into how people are approaching this election. Each is just a single point of data but add them together and you start noting commonalities in the thought process involved. The polls I appreciate the most are the ones that quote people. There is so much value add in them.

stxabuela
September 23rd, 2008 19:29

Charles, here in TX there are many Hispanic women who seem to fit this pattern. On several occasions, it was only after I said I could not vote for Obama that they told me they felt the same way. No one talks about it, but there is also some prejudice against African-Americans in the Hispanic community.

I am wondering if there will be an Hispanic “Bradley effect” at work in swing states with a significant Hispanic population, such as NM and FL. I don’t know if there are enough Hispanics in NV and CO to make a difference. What worries me most is that Hispanics in TX who lack motivation to vote for the top of the ticket tend not to vote at all, which is disastrous for downticket races. Is this a phenomenon exclusive to TX, or does this happen in other states?

realchange
September 23rd, 2008 20:21

I am a first time commenter on this blog. I have been experiencing depression this past month due to the responses I have gotten from family and friends for voicing why I will not vote for Barack Obama. I have been accused of being a racist, a republican, a logic impaired sore loser among other things. Up until John McCain chose Sarah Palin as his VP, I wasn’t sure I could vote for a Republican. Now I will. At least they respected the power of my vote.

I want to insure that the Democrats lose this election and are not rewarded for their corrupt political tactics, the race-baiting, the sexism and misogyny that they enabled and then ignored, the ageism, the outright dismissal of huge numbers of their political base: women, older Americans, working class people (especially “white” working class people, which you can’t say without fear of being accused of being racist).

I’ve been depressed because I have to hide my true thoughts and feelings from people that I love and who I thought loved and respected me, for fear of being vehemently attacked. I have never experienced anything like this in my life. I always thought I could separate political differences with others from my personal relationship with them, but this was based on the belief that I could have rational, even heated, discussions with others without being viciously attacked. Thankfully my husband is of the same mind as I or I would probably be having a complete psychological breakdown, because my relationships with my family and friends are extremely important to me and my well being. I read blogs that have similar opinions to mine for support and for information that the MSM doesn’t report on.

So, I will be one of those people included in the Bradley Effect and it will have nothing to do with race. Thanks for a forum to share this in.

Tess
September 24th, 2008 08:04

We lifelong Dems here like the term “Democrat in exile”. It shortcuts some arguments (not all). I was brought up to expect and participate in political give and take. I can’t remember an election where I ducked so many groups, so much conversation.
A thought: if Obama truly cannot be elected because he’s black, should not someone in the DNC have figured this out? It seems as if running him was a calculated chance; I’d like to think someone, anyone, saw this earlier and moved him over to VP?

September 24th, 2008 09:50

For the first time in my professional life, I’m surrounded by Democrats in my department. Sounds ideal, right? Not so much. They’re all Obamabots, and I find I can’t so much as mention doubts or concerns about “our” candidate without receiving dour looks. The interesting thing is, I’m widely known as an activist Democrat, while they are all (to a man and woman) indifferent voters. I’ve fought for civil rights and racial equality (and this is in the
SOUTH) my entire life, yet now because I oppose this empty suit who has no core principles and runs from the “Democrat” label as fast and completely as he can, I’m labeled a racist? I would LOVE to vote for a black, man or woman, to be POTUS, but race will never dictate my vote.

I haven’t admitted to the folks in my department that I won’t vote for The One, though I’ve lost a close Democrat/Obamabot friend over the issue. How many others of us, I wonder, are in the same position?

Capt Howdy
September 24th, 2008 10:02

Motherlode
count me in. I am in a similar position. I have lost friends over this. or acquaintances I should say. if they were friends, I would not have lost them.
and I have come to an important conclusion.
I dont give a damn.

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